P1. Separation of Church and State and Texas
by Mastriani on Feb.17, 2010, under Heathenism, Punditry
Came across this article from the New York Times magazine. It appears that once again, the great State of Texas, that gave us the fradulent study from a non-existent school for NCLB, is at it again. The Creationists and New Earth Creationists are busy trying to mold historical education in their image. There are ten pages to the article, so I’m not going to be covering it, the link is there, feel free to read away.
The primary driver of this newest attempt at rewriting American history to suit personal agenda, comes most prominently from Don McLeroy; a former State Board of Education Chairman for Texas, (1999 – 2007). He was officially demoted from that position in that last year because of his religious views and desire to influence the education system with them. Let me just be clear here: each and every individual is completely and inexorably entitled, under the Constitutional Authority, to hold whatever views they so choose, not up for debate. I have no problem with Christians or their belief in a divinity that I personally have never found to be evidentiary or provable.
But there are limitations to tolerance:
“I consider myself a Christian fundamentalist,” he announced almost as soon as we sat down. He also identifies himself as a young-earth creationist who believes that the earth was created in six days, as the book of Genesis has it, less than 10,000 years ago.
Okay, WOW. I think this requires a visual aid to more aptly express how I feel about those statements.
Now on to the good stuff, hopefully I’ve sprayed enough Plebe-B-Gone around, that none of that sticks to me. Seriously, those statements caused my brain to reboot. The main thrust and pinch of the article concerns certain individuals and organisations in Texas attempting to refashion American history in an image that they find appealing. So, let’s talk about that for a minute.
The Founding Fathers. Great minds of great men, undoubtedly. I’m going to just concentrate on the primaries, not going through the whole list of the House of Burgesses and the Constitutional Convention. So, essentially the most influential would be Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington. As for Benjamin Franklin and James Madison, there is little doubt that they served us as men of Godly inspiration. Both Thomas Jefferson and George Washington it seems, there is room for doubt that either were more than deists, and certainly not orthodox Christians. Both have also suffered continual attacks on their character, either from the Church or the Secularists, dependent upon what the prevailing opinion is coming from the most recent works, and who the academic putz was that wrote the subjective trash. That’s a matter for part 2 though.
An important part of understanding history, which should be rather plain and simple isn’t: we didn’t live it. So, we can cinch up our knickers in a nice tidy bunch, over our own personal view of what they were, who they were, how they lived; but at the end of the day, it is just so much subjective bullshit. What we do know of them, is their words; the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and all the letters, essays and published material that they left behind.
Go back to the links I provided for them, and a rather clear picture emerges; they had a Machiavellian understanding of the combination of Church, society, and using the Church in society, not in government, to maintain the establisment of liberty, or freedom if you prefer, and for aiding in the maintenance of virtues of “free” men. It was a utilitarian matter, it was a pragmatic matter; it was not a matter for government, that much is clear. Were they flawless in their execution? No, they weren’t, because it wasn’t necessity to press their agenda, and if you look at the history of churches in the colonies and early U.S., there was plenty of money flowing to them from what was later the early States. None of them were avid church goers. So that might tell us something about men who not only feared the tyranny of monarchs, but further, the tyranny of the Church of England as well.
There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of religion held in contempt.
Niccolo Machiavelli
So, we are talking about men who spent the majority of their days studying, reading books, learning. Do you think they might have had personal views that might not have particularly coincided with their times, and perhaps, being learned and studied men, they knew well enough to play possum with the masses? Attempting to regulate belief is folly; for those not paying attention, that was one of the most important reasons we ended up with America at all. It wasn’t just the monarchy stomping their bollocks into dust and ash, it was the fact that the monarch controlled the Church, so even their belief wasn’t their own.
In the Papal System, Government and Religion are in a manner consolidated, & that is found to be the worst of Govts.
Under another aspect of the subject there may be less danger that Religion, if left to itself, will suffer from a failure of the pecuniary support applicable to it than that an omission of the public authorities to limit the duration of their Charters to Religious Corporations, and the amount of property acquirable by them, may lead to an injurious accumulation of wealth from the lavish donations and bequests prompted by a pious zeal or by an atoning remorse. Some monitory examples have already appeared.
James Madison, letter in reply to Jasper Adams pamphlet The Relation of Christianity to Civil Government in the United States
I can’t see that particularly, Thomas Jefferson was a fan of the Church either:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, Materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and preeminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained.
On Washington, the jury is still out. In his inauguration alone, there is so much myth and hyperbole, it is impossible to clearly discern what his position was, and whether it was genuine, or the cunning of a brilliant man. Afterall, he was a Free Mason, when that actually meant something.
On the face and the bottom of it, it is clear; the Founders supported the cohesion of society that religion afforded, thought that a virtuous and moral society would create more responsible citizenry, but did not think that religion should hold sway over governmental decision. As a final side note concerning the article, apparently the State of Texas has such influence over education, the majority of the States follow their prescriptions for education and curriculum requirements.
Right about the time that Texas and Texans start paying my fucking taxes, then they can talk to me about influencing schools where my children attend; otherwise, stick to barbeque and football, and I’m quite happy we were able to send back that Idiot who was so long gone from your village.
February 17th, 2010 on 9:05 pm
These fukkers sure are persistent…It is amusing to watch them fail time, and time again. I dont see why its so hard for them to understand…
Pseudoscience is not legitimate and no matter what they do, creation magic will not be taught in our public schools, nor will it ever be considered as anything more than mythology.
Awesome post! I wish more people were concerned on matters like these and to go in depth as you have instead of just the norm, biased commentary… + Adding educational reference too, once again I’m very impressed.
February 18th, 2010 on 5:55 pm
Thanks Nate, but I wouldn’t be too impressed, I’m just a wordy person.
The problem with the Texas is though, as highlighted in the article; what Texas decides for education, usually about 46 of States just go along with … why? I have no clue, I don’t know what Texas holds over the whole education system.
Fucking corruption likely. I wonder where the NEA is based? I’m going to have to look that up.
February 18th, 2010 on 6:19 pm
Texas buys the most text-books. They have a huge percentage of the market, like 20-odd percent. So if you want your textbook to sell, you have to make sure it sells in Texas. Other states go along because the biggest textbook makers make textbooks for Texas and they want to buy textbooks from the biggest textbook makers.
A nasty little clusterfuck.
February 26th, 2010 on 11:57 am
Call me an optimist but in the midst of all of this it is good to hear about the Board of Education chairman being demoted because of his stupidity.
March 8th, 2010 on 3:58 pm
Sooth,
I don’t disagree that he should have been removed. For me, it just comes down to how we handle the situation.
If we make everything an emotional war, there will be only losers.
March 13th, 2010 on 7:45 pm
Wolves in sheep clothing working from within the bowels of Public Education have succeeded in wresting the rights of Americans by withholding historical facts, such as the fact that the Founding Fathers had no intention of having in the Americas any particular Christian Denomination as the head of the State, since that was the main reason why they fled England in the first place. In England the Founders were constantly harassed and persecuted by the Anglican Church whose head is a mere human being, the present reigning monarch, or King George at that time. And that’s the reason why the Founders included in the First Amendment to the US Constitution the restrictive clause, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
At the same time, they wanted to have the God given freedom of worship by declaring into law “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” including in all branches of Governments. Since the Founding Fathers were Christians, they also firmly believed that Christianity and government must always be intertwined, as stated by Romans 13.
In 1873, US Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story III on Commentaries on the Constitution said, “The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects (denominations) and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of the national government.”
Seventy-four years after Justice Joseph Story III of the US Supreme Court wrote Commentaries on the Constitution, in 1947, the tyrannical Justices of the US Supreme Court enacted a fictitious wall of separation between Church and State upon the fifty states of the Union. Chief Justice Hugo Black who was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, fooled the spiritless American people together with the so-called Christian Leaders of America by forming an unholy union in order to silence the church of Jesus Christ, and succeeded in erecting a fictitious wall of separation between Church and State, contrary to what the Founding Fathers envisioned, in violation of the U.S. Constitution, and Romans 13.
Jesus said, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? And that’s exactly what Senator Lyndon B. Johnson did in 1954. Johnson introduced in the U.S. Congress a devious amendment to the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, and established the United States National Church of Secular Humanism, with the idea of binding, and gagging the Church of Jesus Christ, thus eliminating the significant influence it had up until that time in shaping sound public policy, in affecting legislation, and in addressing issues in opposition to ungodly legislation.
And in 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court by another tyrannical act ruled against the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers wishes and declared the Bible and Prayer Recitation unconstitutional, resulting in their immediate removal from all public schools across America.
After erecting in 1947 a fictional wall of separation between Church and State, and after gagging the church of Jesus Christ in 1954 through the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code, and after removing the Bible from Public Education in 1963, again in 1973 the tyrannical Justices of the US Supreme Court imposed legalized premeditated murder on demand, or abortion on demand, consequently over 52 million children were slaughtered since 1973, and counting.
And in 1998, U.S. President William J. Clinton signed executive order 13087, which was nothing more than the glorification, and affirmation of homosexuals, lesbians, and transgender into Public Education, and into America’s workforce, and once more as predictable as the sun, the Christian Clergy of America compelled by greed, played out their blind, and dumb act one more time.
The church has been taken out of the political arena in 1954 through the IRS 501c3 Tax-Exempt Code by wolves in sheep clothing, which are not only residing inside the churches of America, but also in Washington DC as well, and contrary to God’s word found in Romans 13.
Romans 13:1-2, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves”
Which means that God has established both, the Church, and the Civil Government, therefore the secular ruling authorities such as the U.S. President, the entire U.S Congress, the Justice System, Governors, and Mayors, must all be in submission to Jesus Christ under the authority of the Church or the people, and the Church or the people must be in submission under the headship of Jesus Christ. Thus, according to Romans 13, and the US Constitution, and the will of the Founding Fathers, the church or the people must embody the moral guiding consciousness of the entire Nation.
The Government on the other hand has the authority to enforce all civil laws, Romans 13: 4, “For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer”
It is crystal clear, Romans 13 teaches that a wall of Separation between Church and State does not exist, but only inside the minds of deceivers and deceived alike, it is as phony as a three-dollar bill, and one of the biggest hoaxes perpetrated against the church or the people. The First Amendment to the US Constitution was drafted in part, to prohibit the establishment of any particular Christian Denomination from becoming the official national religion of the US, but that does not mean the government should be isolated from the holy, and perfect will of God.
Patrick Henry, Founding Father, and tireless champion of liberty, in a Speech to the House of Burgesses said, “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
The organizational structure or hierarchy of the United States America according to God’s will in Romans 13, the U.S. Constitution, and the will of the Founding Fathers is as follow, at the very top is Jesus Christ, under Christ is the church or the people, and at the bottom is the U. S. Government, which is subservient to the church or the people. Right now deceiving usurpers are misleading the people or the churches of America, in secret partnership with the political tyrants of Washington DC, who are not only lording over the church or the people one perversion after another, but they are also fleecing them as well, through exorbitant taxation.
Daniel Webster, leading American statesman said, “If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be; If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy, If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end.”
March 13th, 2010 on 7:47 pm
Sleazy bastards
March 13th, 2010 on 8:36 pm
The godless or wicked fools are going down never to rise again!
March 19th, 2010 on 12:26 am
Really?
I’m godless, but not wicked, do I get a reprieve?
Wait …
Where am I going exactly? I prefer generally moderate climates with plenty of deciduous forestation.
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March 19th, 2010 on 12:43 am
Except that not all of the Founding Fathers were Christians, and even the ones who were saw through a Machiavellian perspective that the Church’s place was not in governance.
The Church belongs to society, the government to secularism.
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